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joshpy
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#1 "can't pay we'll take your life away"

Post by joshpy » 12 Apr 2017 23:00

HI everyone

my first post on this site as i am in a bit of a pickle

around 2 years ago at my gym ( which also happens to be a hotel & restaurant ) company called "millennium door and event security randomly turned up and decided to start slapping tickets on everyones cars

( gym users , hotel stayers & restaurant eaters all included )

as you can imagine there was quite the uproar with many complaints going to the hotel manager about this whom seemingly was unaware what exactly was going on ,but someone within the hotel had agreed that millennium could start ticketing peoples cars under the pretence that they were " managing the car park " i imagine of course the hotel would receive a percentage of any " charges recovered "

i avoided the whole thing for a while although i will admit things like this make my blood boil as this business model is created to inflict misery on innocent people and to generate pure profits for the robbers that own these companies

i cannot believe that in 2017 companies like this are still allowed to get away with slapping tickets on peoples cars on land they have absolutely no affiliation with

anyway around a year ago i damaged some ligaments in my leg , i still attended my gym as there was a good physiotherapist there and i liked to use the pool facility

however for around 5-6 months i was unable to walk distances and therefore i would use the disabled spaces provided by the hotel

this is where the problems began everytime i would return from using the facilitys i would find a "ticket" on my windscreen

i must have collected around 20 of them in 6 months however as i pay a monthly fee for my gym i believed i was more than entitled to use the private disabled parking space provided by the hotel and simply ignored the nonsense tickets

i can remember even querying this with the gym manager who said the rules do not apply to patrons and members ( the sign millennium door and event security had put up even mentions this )

i kept throwing the tickets away and thought nothing more of it , until i started receiving mountains of letters from "max recovery" and "goldstones solicitors" more con artists


i ignored all these swell thinking it was all huffing and puffing trying to bully money out of me

next thing i am being served county court papers from some business centre in Nottingham ( 200 miles from where i live )

first i received one claim stating i owe £400 - this was the first one and i actually went to court with expecting somebody to see sense and throw it in the bin gladstone rocked up with 3 solicitors and had carefully analysed every single defence point i had I'm not joking they must have spent more time on this than the OJ simpson trail

myself and the magistrate had lost all interest by the end and the court awarded them the full amount minus a little bit of interest they were trying to claim i ended up paying these ba*stards £374 in full they were not prepared to negotiate a payment plan of any type

then a few months later i receive one stating i owe another £350 - by this point i had enough and just threw it in the bin ( i know stupid ) the judgement defaulted and they yet again get the result they so desperately wanted along with a CCJ which has now been handed to DCBL aka don't pay we will take it away

i also have another case with them waiting to go to court for another £400 - but i have been clever in dragging this one out for along as i possible can by switching addresses and saying i am out of the country for 5 months but i have no doubt that gladstone will be after this one like a dog after a bone too


anyway its the defaulted one they have a cci for i am most concerned about at the moment because i live with my parents and where as if i was on my own i simply wouldnt even acknowledge they're existence and would potentially consider an acceptable level of force to remove them from my property ( yes i feel that strongly about it )

my mother is old and would get frightened easily if 2 burly debt collection attack dogs and a camera crew turned up at the door one day

i am aware there is no where else to really turn now I have accepted i will have to pay the criminals £350 and be thankful for it however like most ordinary people who don't con others on a daily basis i don't actually have a spare £350 just laying around to pay them i am insolvent and live on very little

i am going to ring DCBL tomorrow to see if i can pay £50 a month I'm already anticipating they will politely decline this and i notice there is no way to contact them via email ( meaning no paper trail of attempted negotiations for court )


so assuming this will probably end up in high court a few questions

1) could a £350 debt even incur a high court writ and if not does it just go back to county court what sanctions do they take

2) i am aware you can ask the court to set aside the judgement or set up a payment plan however they want £50 minimum to do either of these extremely difficult tasks and seeing as the debt is £350 I'm not sure its really worth it to add another 50 on

3) is it worth speaking to citizens advice or will they just give me barrel answers

4) the outstanding judgement thats waiting to go to court could anyone help me on here with a defence ? because obviously my last one didnt work very well



sorry i know the post is long but this is literally so frustrating

if i had actually incurred a debt with someone for a service or goods they had provided i would of paid up straight away however these "debts" have seemingly appeared out of thin air

i still after all thisl fail to see the damage I've actually caused to warrant nearly £1000 pounds worth of parking charges all i did was park at my gym

thanks to anyone that takes the time to respond

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#2 Re: "can't pay we'll take your life away"

Post by Pote Snitkin » 13 Apr 2017 10:16

This is a lot to understand and some of it doesn't make sense; it would help if you'd keep the points simple. It would also help if you could post up or email all correspondance you've received, covering any personal details.

You mention a magistrate but I assume you mean a county court district judge (DJ).

Did you provide evidence that parking was free for patrons? Did you take a photo of the signage proving this and evidence of your membership? If so, why did the DJ ignore it? What other evidence did you provide?

You are right in that a debt for under £600 cannot be enforced by the High Court but this is regularly abused - I'm not sure how they even manage to get them through.

Unless you are exempt then the court fees have to be paid and are not 'refunded'. However, there is nothing stopping you from taking a separate action to recover these from the other party.

You can contact DCBL by email using their online form - https://dcbltd.com/contact/

CAB will give you a load of old flannel.
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#3 Re: "can't pay we'll take your life away"

Post by jasonDWB » 13 Apr 2017 11:26

joshpy wrote:
12 Apr 2017 23:00
HI everyone

my first post on this site as i am in a bit of a pickle

around 2 years ago at my gym ( which also happens to be a hotel & restaurant ) company called "millennium door and event security randomly turned up and decided to start slapping tickets on everyones cars

( gym users , hotel stayers & restaurant eaters all included )
Was this on a highway, or on your land owned or used by your business?




as you can imagine there was quite the uproar with many complaints going to the hotel manager about this whom seemingly was unaware what exactly was going on ,but someone within the hotel had agreed that millennium could start ticketing peoples cars under the pretence that they were " managing the car park " i imagine of course the hotel would receive a percentage of any " charges recovered "
I am doubtful a contract that allows a share of the amounts recovered can be shared with a landowner. I'll need to check Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. This regulates how private parking contracts work.



i avoided the whole thing for a while although i will admit things like this make my blood boil as this business model is created to inflict misery on innocent people and to generate pure profits for the robbers that own these companies
If the action of another company is damaging revenues of yours, then redress is available.




i cannot believe that in 2017 companies like this are still allowed to get away with slapping tickets on peoples cars on land they have absolutely no affiliation with

You need to find out who the private parking company has a contract with. Liability resides with the party contracting the parking company. That party then redresses maters with the parking company.



anyway around a year ago i damaged some ligaments in my leg , i still attended my gym as there was a good physiotherapist there and i liked to use the pool facility

however for around 5-6 months i was unable to walk distances and therefore i would use the disabled spaces provided by the hotel

this is where the problems began everytime i would return from using the facilitys i would find a "ticket" on my windscreen

i must have collected around 20 of them in 6 months however as i pay a monthly fee for my gym i believed i was more than entitled to use the private disabled parking space provided by the hotel and simply ignored the nonsense tickets

i can remember even querying this with the gym manager who said the rules do not apply to patrons and members ( the sign millennium door and event security had put up even mentions this )



There is your defence.

If court action is brought against you then you can defend the whole claim by showing a photo of the sign and a copy of your membership.







i kept throwing the tickets away and thought nothing more of it , until i started receiving mountains of letters from "max recovery" and "goldstones solicitors" more con artists


i ignored all these swell thinking it was all huffing and puffing trying to bully money out of me

next thing i am being served county court papers from some business centre in Nottingham ( 200 miles from where i live )

That will be Northampton.







first i received one claim stating i owe £400 - this was the first one and i actually went to court with expecting somebody to see sense and throw it in the bin gladstone rocked up with 3 solicitors and had carefully analysed every single defence point i had I'm not joking they must have spent more time on this than the OJ simpson trail

myself and the magistrate had lost all interest by the end and the court awarded them the full amount minus a little bit of interest they were trying to claim i ended up paying these ba*stards £374 in full they were not prepared to negotiate a payment plan of any type

then a few months later i receive one stating i owe another £350 - by this point i had enough and just threw it in the bin ( i know stupid ) the judgement defaulted and they yet again get the result they so desperately wanted along with a CCJ which has now been handed to DCBL aka don't pay we will take it away

i also have another case with them waiting to go to court for another £400 - but i have been clever in dragging this one out for along as i possible can by switching addresses and saying i am out of the country for 5 months but i have no doubt that gladstone will be after this one like a dog after a bone too


anyway its the defaulted one they have a cci for i am most concerned about at the moment because i live with my parents and where as if i was on my own i simply wouldnt even acknowledge they're existence and would potentially consider an acceptable level of force to remove them from my property ( yes i feel that strongly about it )

my mother is old and would get frightened easily if 2 burly debt collection attack dogs and a camera crew turned up at the door one day

Its DCBL that goes round with a camera crew - until recently.




i am aware there is no where else to really turn now I have accepted i will have to pay the criminals £350 and be thankful for it however like most ordinary people who don't con others on a daily basis i don't actually have a spare £350 just laying around to pay them i am insolvent and live on very little

i am going to ring DCBL tomorrow to see if i can pay £50 a month I'm already anticipating they will politely decline this and i notice there is no way to contact them via email ( meaning no paper trail of attempted negotiations for court )


so assuming this will probably end up in high court a few questions

1) could a £350 debt even incur a high court writ

The threshold to transfer up a CCJ to the High Court is £600.



and if not does it just go back to county court what sanctions do they take

Enforcement, but its rarely successful if the bailiff cannot take control of goods.





2) i am aware you can ask the court to set aside the judgement or set up a payment plan however they want £50 minimum to do either of these extremely difficult tasks and seeing as the debt is £350 I'm not sure its really worth it to add another 50 on
You can ask for your costs.




3) is it worth speaking to citizens advice or will they just give me barrel answers
Its all scripted. Many disappointd customers end up coming here anyway. We specialise in bailiff and confrontational enforcement protection.



4) the outstanding judgement thats waiting to go to court could anyone help me on here with a defence ? because obviously my last one didnt work very well

You already have a good defence. The signage and evidence of your membership.








sorry i know the post is long but this is literally so frustrating

if i had actually incurred a debt with someone for a service or goods they had provided i would of paid up straight away however these "debts" have seemingly appeared out of thin air

i still after all thisl fail to see the damage I've actually caused to warrant nearly £1000 pounds worth of parking charges all i did was park at my gym

thanks to anyone that takes the time to respond
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